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Naem ([personal profile] mistytpednaem) wrote2010-08-07 05:18 pm

Farewell, My Turnabout: There's No Bit Before It Gets Interesting

So, as I said right in my first 1-5 post, these screenshots are actually all from before I started my replay of THAT, and so are the notes. Let's see if they're coherent enough for me to piece together what I was thinking last week when I did this. Also, uh, I love everyone in this case. In fact, it's one of my absolute favourites, right up there with 3-5. This will hopefully be entertaining! Well then, let's do this.




Put yourself in Juan's place for a moment: hell yeah, I'm up against The Amazing Incaboy, the Generic Rangers and Touristman. This award is in the bag, right?




Nope, the Nickel Samurai just shows up, slices the fucking moon in half and he's all "I'M THE CHAMPION, BITCHES." See the Jammin' Ninja back there? He's clearly on the verge of tackling Matt like he never has before.




Will Powers is a sweetheart and I want to hug him forever:




EXHIBIT A: He's not even listed in the profiles in the beginning of the case, despite having invited the whole gang here.





EXHIBIT B: Kids apparently hate his face. D8 I don't hate your face!




With everyone either going "who the hell is the Jammin' Ninja" or "what the hell kind of premise for a show is that", no wonder Juan became kinda bitter.


(Commenting on how she heard Matt and Juan don't get along at all)

I... find it amusing that Maya knows Matt's name and not Juan's.




And how, Will. And how.




My thoughts at this point? "How come Juan has so many more flowers than-- oh right Oldbag." But upon examining each batch...




... Juan's flowers come from fans, co-workers and family; Matt's flowers come... from the studio staff. A hint that Juan was generally a more likeable person and Matt was alone at the top, so to speak?





I love how the conference just got canceled and the police was like "NOBODY MOVE" and everyone is absolutely TERRIFIED to... see Oldbag again.




Oldbag fully acknowledges her status as a harbinger of death, by the way.




Now, shall we talk about first-time reactions? How many of you were all "Oh, hey, is the Bellboy from the first game back heeeee




eeeeeOH GOD WHAT'S UP WITH HIS FACE." I was. I know I was.



sdgdfnhr why didn't they go with Maya ;___;




Lotta is very, very happy about the murder.




... Teehee. Matt and Juan. Bumping off.




I wanted to point out the wording used to describe their rivalry in each of their profiles (because I'm a geek and I need to exercise my Literature skills). "Bad terms" unmistakably points to a bad relationship. With Engarde. "Rivals," however, can still have positive connotations, and note that it says his rivalry is with the Jammin' Ninja. Is the game itself helping Engarde look more innocent?




You know, just in case the stitches and the monocle didn't look ominous enough.




Notes say: "-Bless you Pearl oh look who just called;" I stand by my "bless you Pearl."





You know what? Speaking of "item", I think Shelly did believe that Phoenix and Maya were boyfriend and girlfriend. I mean, that's probably the first impression that a stalker would get. Plus I kinda ship Phoenix/Maya shhhh




... Also, this bit along with... one or two others in the case have led me to believe that Shelly is downright condescending towards the law, but it still feels like I'm pulling it completely out of my ass and I'd just like to know if I'm right or not. ;_;




... Oh God, I'm going to need to read some fluff later.





I do wonder to what extent did he already know the crime scene had been altered. Obviously, he didn't know about Adrian herself, because, well...

... Oh my God, this case would have ended so badly if he had known all about Adrian.





Sooo... yeah. Oh, I should mention one more thing: one reason for why I'm doing this is to see if I can identify the exact point where I began to like Shelly. Because I hated his guts at first. And I know exactly when I started to like all the other characters from this case, so... WELP IT IS A MYSTERY AND WE SHALL ATTEMPT TO SOLVE IT.


Now, picture this: you have no idea where you are, you've lost track of your best friend and little cousin, your head hurts...



AND SUDDENLY, CREEPY OLD MAN OUT OF NOWHERE. I'd have emptied my bladder on the spot.




I shouldn't even mention this, but apparently I very vaguely referred to it in my notes, so I guess I really wanted to say it and I will: I find the way he phrased that intriguing. Probably because I look too hard into things.




Oh, but he's such a reassuring old man. "Don't worry, I'm not going to kill you YET. =w="




Now look at Pearl. LOOK AT HER. SEE HOW SHE FEELS? How could I not have hated the guy at first? He made the most adorable character cry, "de Killer" was possibly the dumbest name for a villain I'd ever heard and then there was his ridiculous "DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT CALLIN' THE COPS." But it's all slowly starting to make sense, in a very contrived way. See, he gets his cheesy lines from the terrible old movies he makes Adrian and Shoe watch with him!




Here's the amazing thing: I had been spoiled (in a way; I had read that he was a villain), and Matt's façade still fooled me. He looked so disarming that I convinced myself I had to be mistaken!




Matt having no idea about the conference that he was apparently going to give is the first sign we get that something was not quite right that night. Aaand it's nifty.




... My only comment on this is "heeee".




Matt's refusal to take Phoenix as his lawyer...





... immediately disappearing as soon as you mention the creepy old guy who asked you to defend him? NOT SUSPICIOUS AT ALL.

But that's one of the things I love about this case. No matter how unsubtle the foreshadowing may seem, it still keeps you second-guessing.




... And yet there will never be enough fanart of him.




"so how was your relationship with the--" "SHUT THE FUCK UP WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW I mean duuude dude?"





After this case, Phoenix took an extensive course in "ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS EVER TO PHRASE A QUESTION."


And we'd better end this here, before I begin an angry rant against a very specific niche of Matt fangirls. Next time: INVESTIGATIN'. WHICH I ALMOST MISTYPED AS "INVESTIGANTIN'". IN FACT THAT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME I NEARLY TYPED GANT DURING THIS POST.

[identity profile] perfectgnat.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Regarding Award Show: "The Jammin' Ninja is gonna win, haha PSYCH!" You are kind of a dick, announcer.

Regarding the hell kind of premise Jammin' Ninja has: I can see why Kay is such a fan, being a fellow ninja-who-fails-stealth-forever

Regarding Will: If you present Adrian's profile to him later in the game he says he used to have a thing for her. If you present his profile to Adrian, she says Will is a genuinely nice man and show business doesn't care about such people (while crying on the inside). If Adrian wasn't so firmly a lesbian in my headcanon, I think I'd ship it.

Regarding the flowers: It doesn't really make a lot of sense that Matt has so much less flowers than Juan. Even if Matt is much less likable than Juan, the fans don't know that. He should at least have some things from the fan clubs, right? Obviously, Adrian passive-aggressively trashed all the flowers not from the Staff, and, since she was likely in charge of ordering them, got flowers Matt was allergic to.

Regarding Oldbag: How can she have such amazing lines and still be so annoying?

Regarding Shelly: There was this one plotline on the TV show Arrested Development where the main character dated a mentally retarded woman who, because of her cultured British accent, he thought was a genius, just quirky in a romantic comedy sort of way. While I don't think Shelly is retarded or anything, I kind of think that he comes across as cultured and personable despite being a career killer mostly on the strength of his British accent and somewhat outdated slang.

Regarding Matt: Surfer Dude Matt is fucking hilarious. I was spoiled about him being evil, but I didn't know about the personality change, so at the time, I was kind of idly thinking about laid-back Matt killing Juan which I found really funny.

[identity profile] mistytpednaem.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Will: Yeah, I remember seeing that, since I love presenting everyone's profiles to everyone. I especially remember Will not really admitting, which made it all the cuter for me.

The flowers: ... Good point.

Oldbag: I actually do like her in a weird way, if only because I also like seeing Edgeworth enraged.

Shelly: You know what? I'm inclined to agree, with how often I write him as (roughly speaking) a socially inept workaholic with a one-track mind for death and generally unpleasant things... BUT THERE IS A FLAW IN YOUR REASONING. We don't hear Shelly's accent. We don't even hear his voice. You're imagining his Britishness, and why is that, my good man~?

Matt: I can hardly remember my thoughts on Surfer Matt because, alas, I am a woman, and I was swayed by the sexually-confusing charms of his psycho persona.

[identity profile] touchmy12inch.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MATT

s-sorry, I love this case so much ;;

[identity profile] mistytpednaem.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I FEEL YOU.

[identity profile] perverbially.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's the amazing thing: I had been spoiled (in a way; I had read that he was a villain), and Matt's façade still fooled me. He looked so disarming that I convinced myself I had to be mistaken!

And here you have perfectly summed up why this case made me fall in love with Phoenix Wright. It's all about façades. Juan's, Matt's (and doesn't he even have a bunch of masks in his house, lined up along the wall? WHY YES, YES HE DOES. Okay, they don't quite have a flashing sign saying SYMBOLISM LOL over them, but it's near enough), Celeste's, Adrian's, Shelly's, hell, even Franziska's gets very literally shattered by the end of this. Even Oldbag gets one! :D And holy mother of god, I love it. I just. I LOVE IT.

In case it wasn't obvious, I AM SO EXCITED RIGHT NOW :DDD THIS CASE OWNS MY HEART.

I shouldn't even mention this, but apparently I very vaguely referred to it in my notes, so I guess I really wanted to say it and I will: I find the way he phrased that intriguing. Probably because I look too hard into things.

Ooh. Oooh. The "I am known as"...? I'm probably looking too hard into things, too (hell, did you read my babbling up there?), but it does strike me as telling, now that you bring it up. Ooh.

IT IS A MYSTERY AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HELP YOU SOLVE IT, YAY :D

[identity profile] mistytpednaem.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
> Façades

EXACTLY. I intended to talk about that later, the whole "theme" of the case is, you know, people hiding something, and it's just amazing.

... OH WOW. THE MASKS. I'D NOTICED THEM, BUT I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. OH MY GOD I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT.


Ooh. Oooh. The "I am known as"...? I'm probably looking too hard into things, too (hell, did you read my babbling up there?), but it does strike me as telling, now that you bring it up. Ooh.

That exactly. Glad to see we're in the same wavelength. 8D I'm... not sure what it tells me, but it sure tells me something! ;;; Maybe it's pointing towards the whole "it's not my name but it's my name" business? I-I DON'T KNOW, I HATE IT WHEN I CAN SEE SOMETHING HAS MEANING BUT I CAN'T SEE THE MEANING IN IT.

[identity profile] perfectgnat.livejournal.com 2010-08-07 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
It may be a clue to how he thinks of himself. Take Batman as an example. He doesn't do anything like, "I am known as Batman," he's always, "I am Batman."

Maybe Shelly doesn't consider his true self to be Shelly de Killer? It's seemingly at odds with how much pride he takes in being professional, but then again, maybe part of being professional is some sort of complete disconnect with his private life, difficult as it is to imagine someone looking like Shelly having a private life.

Although during the post-credits sequence in JFA, he was totally on some Caribbean Island sipping a comically large margarita, wearing an open Hawaiian shirt, and reclining on a beach chair while talking to someone through the transceiver. CANON.

Jammin' Ninja > Nickel Samurai just sayin'

[identity profile] ejecthefloppy.livejournal.com 2010-08-08 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Will Powers is a sweetheart and I want to hug him forever:"

I SECOND THIS SO HARD I LOVE WILL SO MUCH ♥

"I wanted to point out the wording used to describe their rivalry in each of their profiles (because I'm a geek and I need to exercise my Literature skills). "Bad terms" unmistakably points to a bad relationship. With Engarde. "Rivals," however, can still have positive connotations, and note that it says his rivalry is with the Jammin' Ninja. Is the game itself helping Engarde look more innocent?"

I never noticed this bit! And my last run-through I cap'd pretty much everything that caught my interest. You best me severely in terms of observation.

"Here's the amazing thing: I had been spoiled (in a way; I had read that he was a villain), and Matt's façade still fooled me. He looked so disarming that I convinced myself I had to be mistaken!"

Uncanny, because the exact same thing happened with me. And when he pulled that brandy snifter out of nowhere aaaaaaaaaaaaa

"And we'd better end this here, before I begin an angry rant against a very specific niche of Matt fangirls."

oh god i hope you're not referring to the type that convince themselves matt is ~misunderstood~

Re: Jammin' Ninja > Nickel Samurai just sayin'

[identity profile] mistytpednaem.livejournal.com 2010-08-08 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
oh god i hope you're not referring to the type that convince themselves matt is ~misunderstood~

Possibly. I've only really noticed the ones who think Matt literally has a split personality and "good!Matt" is innocent and he never did anything wrong aaand also those who make Mary-Sue OCs for Matt to love forever and ever.

Re: Jammin' Ninja > Nickel Samurai just sayin'

[identity profile] perverbially.livejournal.com 2010-08-08 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I've only really noticed the ones who think Matt literally has a split personality and "good!Matt" is innocent

Seriously, that's an actual, like, thing? That's just... not how split personalities work.

What.

[identity profile] pess-in-suits.livejournal.com 2010-08-14 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
ahahaha whoa why did I not see this part before--

See, while this IS the only case in JFA that fascinates me to the point of wanting to replay it over and over (...actually, I think this is the case that I will NEVER get tired of replaying, whoa and it's not even my FAVORITE--), I will say that this game is the first AA game that I ever played.

It's also the game where I had to use a walkthough on EVERY DAMN CASE because some of it was just plain confusing to my not-yet-acustomed-to-AA's-crazy-case-setups mind. Oh, me.

...that and I just really love Matt. And Will. And Shelly. And Franziska hrrrrrfjkgfd <3 And Phoenix/Maya. YOU ARE NOT ALONE MY FRIEND /BROFIST!

Now see, interestingly enough, I did NOT foreshadow something terrible happening to Maya when McStitchesface walked her away, which is what I usually do nowadays (I am going to blame the fact that this WAS the first AA game I played). I don't think I actually thought "wait a second what's going on here" until Shelly first spoke to us through the reciever. OTL. ;;

Matt's "fresh as le spring breeze" act fooled me to the end. I-I WANTED him to be innocent he seemed like such a nice fellow ;____; Why Matt whyyyyy

/ahaha oh whoops rambling SORRY I'll stop now--

[identity profile] mistytpednaem.livejournal.com 2010-08-14 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I DO NOT MIND YOUR RAMBLING~

[identity profile] pess-in-suits.livejournal.com 2010-08-14 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
/W-WIBBLE ;n;